Tuesday, February 14, 2006

More on Viva La Frida's

On 2/8/06 there was a column in the St. Pete Times by Sue Carlton about Viva La Frida's leaving. The article was titled "'Viva' brought life to neighborhood, but not vice versa"
Here is the abstract:


In the midst of this, a restaurant with a sign painted Viva La Frida! Cafe Y Galeria is like a bright, weedy flower poking through a crack in the sidewalk. On the patio, a stage is set for poetry readings, theater, music. A John Kerry fundraiser was here, a Fahrenheit 9/11 event, a parade of parties and exhibits.
Inside, art is everywhere, much of it homage to Mexican artist Frida Kahlo.

Angelica Diaz, she of the eclectic art and proud Mexican heritage, is mother of this place and one before it in Ybor City, with its $2.99 starving artist specials. A native of the town of Nogales on the Arizona-Mexico border, Diaz is a woman who radiates strength. Even her jewelry is bold and bright and hard not to look at.

No question, Tampa's get-tough stance on code enforcement is necessary, particularly in neighborhoods that suffer cars on blocks and mattresses on curbs. But there's an odd fact here: Some of Florida Avenue's uglier sights are exempt because they're grandfathered in. Second odd fact: The local historic district ends in the middle of Florida Avenue in front of Viva La Frida, meaning Diaz's business is subject to the rules while those across the street are not. (full article)


I have issues with the title of this article. It implies that the failure of the restaurant was strictly due to the neighborhood not supporting it.

"Last year, nearly 100 people showed up at a City Council meeting, some
waving coffee mugs, to rally for plans for a first-ever Seminole Heights
Starbucks.

Nothing wrong with being able to walk out your door and down the street
to a trendy spot for a latte. It's just too bad you won't be able to stroll over
to Viva La Frida for a little art and soul, as well."

There is more to the issue than that.

One part is I would hear complaints about the place that caused people to not return. This neighborhood will gladly support its local business and restaurants. However we would like certain things in return. Consistency is the primary problem, I see in many restaurants. Consistency in the food, both in the quality and the menu choices, and in hours of operation. Service is another issue. Owners, listen to your customers. Don't be a prima donna. Customers, its about time we get blunt with the owners so we can help them succeed.

I addressed this issue of restaurants failing in Seminole Heights in one of my earliest posts.

There was a point I agreed with: "If there is a lesson here, maybe it's that the city needs someone to help small business owners who don't have big money or big lawyers to find their way through the maze of bureaucracy. It's an especially good idea for those willing to risk opening in a spot poised to turn around - or not. Former Mayor Sandy Freedman suggests, sensibly, a city ombudsman for the mom and pops." The Business Guild hopes to address that to some degree for its members.

We do need to change zome zoning rules (that generally are for suburbs.) We need to find ways to increase the parking. Whether it is the city buying some car lots or empty lots and making them community parking or whether some businesses can get together and buy and share parking. (The later is what could occur at Ghost Town at Nebraska and Osborne.)

By the way, I would like the City Council to pass an ordinance delaring a 5 year moritorium on any new car lots and tire stores in Seminole Heights.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

I just moved to Seminole Heights from St. Petersburg last month. Two weeks ago we went to Viva La Fridas on a Friday night, for the first and definitely only time. When we arrived we waited at the hostess stand for 20 minutes, completely ignored. Three servers on duty must have walked by 20 times, but nobody offered to seat us, take our name for a list, or even acknowledge our presence or say hello. Meanwhile 3 or 4 unoccupied tables were piled with dirty dishes.

Eventually I walked back to the kitchen and asked one of the three servers standing around if we should seat ourselves. I was told to go back to the stand and wait to be seated.

After that we left and had a great meal and a good time at the Front Porch Grill across the street. The St. Pete Times can say what they want, but no restaurant will survive with such terrible customer service.

Anonymous said...

I can't say I'm surprised by Viva's eventual closing. Since moving to OSH in June '05, I have had various experiences from complete satifaction and praise to pledging a boycott. Perhaps S.H. new business owners would be wise to place a comment card box in their place of business. For example, the Stephanno's pizza is good food but I'll drive down to S.Tampa and get a gourmet pizza that is not only cheaper but larger and I can sit down and enjoy the pizza. 15 bucks for a large cheese is a little excessive plus the owner is not the most friendly individual. Let's pray starbucks is followed by not only more businesses (aside from car lots) but smart business people.

Anonymous said...

A lot of Anhelica's issues with the city were brought on by her own doings.......who starts major construction without pulling a permit and then blames the city for giving them a hard time. Can you expect code to ride your ass when you put in a stage across the alley from residential and then have live LOUD music playing until after midnight - not everyone has Saturday and Sunday off. A special event is one thing but not constantly - and how many times do you deal with traffic all over the surrounding blocks and not have an issue with the owner? She has never supported the home tour (via an ad in the brochure) but has expected to be able to put flyers on the table because she did not want to place an ad. No issues with that but what do you tell the advertisers (that are restuarants) that did pay for an ad. She feels persucuted because the neighborhood does not support her- sorry - wrong on that count. You can't just take, take,take from your neighborhood and then expect the world when something does not go your way - it is a two way street. OSHNA only heard from her when code was on her butt or she could not do something she felt she had the right to do and be damned anyone else and their opinion. I'll admit running a successful mom and pop is time consuming and stressful but you give and take and your loyal customers and neighbors will be willing to help you along the way. I'm sorry to see her close but better luck in her ventures in Mexico and best of luck to the replacement restuarant that hopefully will be customer friendly!!

Anonymous said...

I am also sorry to see her close because I really wanted Frida's to be a success for our community but my experiences were also not the best. My family hosted a brunch there and the food was bland and cold. None the less I knew their regular menu items were good so I returned with friends who were visiting from the Netherlands and over an hour later the only thing on our table were drinks! We left cash for the drinks and drove to Davis Island for Mexican at Estella's where we had a great time, good food and excellent service despite the crowds. I think it is a real pity that this business was so poorly managed.

Anonymous said...

P.S. What is up with Stephano's prices? I gave them a try because (as usual) I want to support the businesses that move into the area but I just can't bring myself to pay that much for a mediocre pizza! Dude! Get real!

AngelSil said...

I never actually made it to Frida's since I'm not a big fan of Mexican and the one time we tried to go it was crowded beyond belief. Frankly, after the comments I had gotten from friends about how the food was hit-or-miss and the service terrible, no 'hip' vibe would draw me back for another try. The building always seemed a bit out-of-place to me. Like a large, colorful shed had been thrown up in the middle of a neighborhood of bungalows.

As for Stephanno's - I've had their pizza several times and it's passable. My husband loves it because it reminds him of Jersey. Both the pie and the service...if you get my drift.

I think what the article misses is that resident's should support local businesses that they *like*. If a place has quality issues, price issues, etc. then it should fail. I'll gladly eat at a good local place over a comparable place in S. Tampa but I'm sure not going to patronize a businesses that is sub-par. And, yes, many of us did come out to support Starbucks but the assumption that it was just because we all wanted a place to get coffee is simplistic. It's about bringing in some high-quality big names to spur the commerical sector...duh

Anonymous said...

While sorry to see them go, I am very disappointed at how Angelica has played this to those on the outside. I thought the place was nice and I generally liked the food, but I never had a good experience with service there. In addition, some of the worst food I've been served came from them. As an example, I once took a client there to eat. The chicken I was served was the toughest chicken north of the Pecos. In fact, it may have come from the Pecos having walked here, with a back pack, while reading Jaws and the Excorcist. It literally was inedible. When the server asked why the chicken was untouched (except for a chewed piece that I was afraid to swallow), I told her bluntly that it was too tough to eat. She took the plates away and brought back the bill with the dinner still charged.

In addition, Angelica chose to make her establishment very political with posters of Michael Moore on the register along with other posters here and there. It's her choice but it's not a very friendly atmosphere.

Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of businesses thinking they can impose sub-standard eateries on us because they are "small". You just can't sit back and expect the money to come to you. It's not hard to figure out. Go to Nickos. If you can't match his food, prices and service, then you won't last long.

If anything, the way people try to support bad service and food in this neighborhood shows how much we need restaurants.

David Jenkins said...

I never thought the food was hit or miss - but the service ... Woo Lard.

There were many times where we would look at the clock, and if we didn't have at least 2 hours before we had to be somewhere else we'd pass - just so we would be on time.

Nice people, good food, but they were never in a hurry about ANYTHING.

Anonymous said...

There are only two "mom&pop" restaraunts in all of Seminole Heights my partner and I go to: The Taco bus on Hillsborough and Nickos. That's it. (We miss Rigo's on Florida and Knollwood when Rigo still owned it.)

The Front Porch has terrible food, terrible service, and you never know if the walls or ceiling will be torn out with termite bits dropping on your food. Angelica isn't the only one that spurns code. Waiters have complained to us that they buy their own bags of mixed salad to add to what Pat requires because they feel guilty for serving so little. Pat, the owner, will ask you for your thoughts all the time. My advice is don't give him any because he's only interested in positive comments. We are in what Randy Baron calls a "boycott phase" which will probably last for years.

Stephanos' special pizza is amazingly good. He's pricey, though, and that wonderful patio Rigo pulled together is going to waste. It would be great to sit out there and eat again.

The Coffee Bean is on our boycott list as well. The service is slow and if you ask for a chai tea latte you never know what will come back. (it's on your menu guys, figure it out.) I got a tea/coffee/milk mixture once. Ick. The seats are uncomfortable, by the way. It's great if you want to encourage turnover, but coffee houses usually strive to get people to hang out. If you're going to offer free internet (great idea!) you'll need to offer electrical outlets too. Most Windows laptops have an hour or two on the battery which would limit the time someone could work and consume your products. Please take Jeff's comments to heart. If you serve the same food as Nicko's but cannot match quality, flavor, and price, you aren't going to get the business you're able to. I'd rather wait in line at Nickos than sit down right away at the Coffee Bean. Nothing against the owner, who I think is a great guy, just don't like the restaraunt.

Nickos. Eat there often. The food is cheap and quite good. I recommend anything on the breakfast menu and for lunch I'm a fan of the gyro. Nick knows his customers and next time you're in there, count the wait staff vs customer ratio. You sneeze and three waiters have kleenex for you! Want to adjust a meal or order something off menu? This place will try to accomodate you without any fuss. Can't recommend it enough.

The Taco stand on 9th and Hillsborough. Park nearby and walk during busy hours. They have eat in and to go. The mexican sodas with the pork tacos are my favorite meal there. Always good service. Language is no barrier. Everything tastes fresh.

Martha's in SESH we've never been to. This is because we can't even find parking. We figure anyplace with that much available but taken parking has got to be packed tight. It's a good sign, but I'm a weanie about parking--if I can't find anything, even on the street, I'd rather not go.

The Blue Sea fish market. It's new. We got an amazing amount of quality fish for very little money. Friendly service too. My advice is unless you're feeding an army, one dinner meal is enough for two people.

3 Coins on Nebraska. Never been but other have. Comments? I heard you couldn't breath in there because it was a favorite spot for smokers to eat. But it's been years since the smoking law so obviously that's changed.

And finally, Viva la Frida's. Angelica took a "vacation" for a year during which her restaraunt fell apart. I don't know how else to put it. I enjoyed going there before that, but the life went out of the place when Anelica "left" and we stopped going. I'd show up during posted business hours to find the door locked. Sometimes it was just not open and others were a special event and closed to regular customers. That's how galleries work, but not restaraunts. When we could no longer count on her place being open, we just didn't even bother to stop by anymore. It's a shame too, because she is in the perfect location to compliment the Front Porch. If either is too busy, you could just go to the other one. Drive once and choose. (er, if they had good food. Now it's easy to avoid going there at all.)


It's hard to run a small business. You have hundreds of people with various conflicting opinions all trying to get your attention. But the bottom line is you have to know what business you are really in. Are you a gallery or a restaraunt? Are you a hang-out coffee lounge or a short-order restaraunt? Are you a premium pizzaria or a quick-order, cheap, pizza-takout joint? Are you a steakhouse or a bar-n-grill? It may suck to be stuffed into a category like that, but customers aren't interested in businesses that are confused about what they are. Do one thing and do it well. (Gallery-styled restaraunt is a great idea! A restaraunt that acts like a gallery is a nightmare.)

I have respect for anyone that attempts their own business. It takes a lot of guts. Please don't take my criticisms as anything other than the blunt observations of a resident that eats out at least 3 times a week and isn't afraid to spend cash for good food.

AngelSil said...

My best friends live stumbling distance from 3 coins. (stumbling being the key word at 8am with a hangover and 2 hours sleep). Meh. It isn't awful but it's not Nicko's. I was disappointed to find out they stop serving breakfast at 11am =/

David Jenkins said...

Heh - Coffee Bean is totally on my "Boycott list" as well. I never ate at 3 Coins, but now I'm a little too far from it for it to be convenient. I did go in once to get takeout breakfast. The waitress totally stood there while I had a credit card in my hand, let me order, then snapped at me about how they only took cash. It was too early to be yelled at by a crabby Nebraska Ave. Flo, so I just left.

I miss Front Porch's old menu - I hate that I can't get a burger, wrap or wings for dinner. I liked it better when they had pub food with a few specials to choose from nightly - which I got on many occassions and which were almost always really good.

I'm intrigued by your Taco joint. I still hope to hit Frida's a few more times before they close, just on a night I don't have plans later. ;)

Anonymous said...

I loved Viva La Frida when they first opened. They changed the menu depending on the season and they had the most amazing iced green tea. Then I don't know what happened but they decided on a fixed menu, got rid of the tea, got rid of a lot of their old vegetarian choices and their service got crappier and crappier. I stopped going there when they refused to make a change at a menu item. Yes, it is a very cool place with a very artsy cool atmosphere but I guess the owners didn't managed it well. To me the whole music/theatre scene was completely unecessary. It was not the place for it considering the proximity of the neighboring homes. Nice food and service was all they needed. I guess they overextended themselves.

Anonymous said...

viva la frida was overpriced with bad service.. beside the fact that it is named after a highly over rated artist-the front porch has always been inconsistent and now that they made their menu for yuppies only it is even worse.
everyone who bitches about the pizza, shut up! the best pizza in town is in seminole heights.{nebraska and osborne-ybor pizza and subs). i have always had great service and food at the coffee bean. the owner is new to restaraunts, besides the only antique mall in tampa is next door. and to starbucks lovers, if big corporate crap is what you want move back to south tampa or hyde park or whatever cookie cutter neighborhood priced you out in the first place. their is plenty of money in the heights so if viva failed it is her fault.

Anonymous said...

the harbor club in sulphur springs is great! also havana village across from the water tower is good.

Anonymous said...

To Mr Anonymous who posted a comment at 7:13pm. You are advocating that we be silent regarding our experiences and opinion regarding the local pizza? Sorry, but this is a blog which by nature is an opinion oriented medium. Your usage of the word yuppies and cookie cutter are so early 90's. What I think we are commenting on is the business practices of the local SH business community in an attempt to help improve the situation. Your crass comments are unnecessary and unoriginal. I love the comment about the mythic "you people" who have "yuppified" SH. You are right, all of us who have restored houses and brought a sense of a neighborhood and security to this once blighted area should just leave and let these historic homes rot and fall apart. SH has history and a unique nature that I dont think the presence of Starbucks or any other corporate business will destroy. What has been destroying SH is not recognizing its beauty and allowing it to become filled with used car lots and crack houses. You are right, I think I'm going to break some of my windows, allow my yard to get overgrown, put my car on blocks in the street, and that would allow you the peace of mind to know us "yuppies" will leave this place back to its original "glory". Wake UP!

David Jenkins said...

Here, here Yuppie Resident. I'm about as far from that description as it comes, and I don't even live in SH (TH), but I agree with you 100%.

Anonymous said...

yuppie resident and dave..
boo hoo.. truth strikes a nerve..
you are over dramatic. i simply meant dont move to seminole heights if all you want is hyde park. you both earn the drama queens of the year award.

Anonymous said...

When do I get my official drama queen crown? Shall we do it at the grand opening of starbucks?

Anonymous said...

i have eaten all of the places mentioned and have to agree with most of the comments - except that I am also a supporter of Ybor Pizza and Subs, and I also like the COffee Bean. I would definitely suggest more comfortable chairs @ Coffee Bean. Martha's is very good, but like Coffee Bean you have to be expecting down-home "country cooking". Lots of grease and butter, which I ask for on the side (the butter, not the grease).
3 Coins is so close to me but sort of dirtier than I like, and I expect a certain amount of "greasy spoon" so that says a lot.

If you have not been to YP&S, get down there now! It has been around forever, is super accomodating to special requests (i get 1 pizza w/ no cheese, easy sauce and one with cheese and they remember my name and order and NEVER get it wrong), and are exactly the type of independent delicious local restaurant that needs your patronage. they don't pull any menu changes or erratic hours and they deliver. I've had Gourmet PIzza Co. in ST and YP&S is MUCH better.

I'm really disappointed with Front Porch - I've taken out of town friends there and the menu is totally different each time. Wanted to like this place and kept going back until the most recent time when the prices have jumped and it seems you can't get a reasonably priced meal. I've heard from other chefs that the chef there is constantly turning over - no surprise.

Finally, I asked to go to Frida's for a special occasion since I heard how great it was. What a mistake. I always felt like some sub-par artist and art supporter because I wasn't going there, but it only took one visit to dispel that. My experience was the same as everyone's above - atrocious service (we had to beg for our bill and then pretend to be leaving to get it - which they had to be notified of), mediocre overpriced food. You can't expect a restaurant to run itself, or just hire funky-looking girls and then have them automatically be great waitresses. Like a lot of people who get a little bit of success with their restaurant, it sounds like Frida's owners decided the supervision and training was no longer necessary. It's a shame. Style can't reign over substance, hipsters.

And to those of you who are proud to be yuppies, i don't think Mr. Anonymous said anything bad about house restoration or keeping up your lawn. Yuppie-ism is characteristic of newer-better-faster-more mentality, and that is not what I want for this neighborhood. If you want to live within 2 seconds of mass chains like Starbucks and that is more important to you than having diverse locally owned businesses, then you SHOULD move somewhere else for your own happiness.

David Jenkins said...

Mia, but even you are saying you didn't like Frida because the service was bad. That's a reason I don't go some places, and that might be a big reason why I hit a Starbucks when I need a cup of coffee on the go and I don't have time for the very nice older gentleman at Coffee Bean to figure out what he's doing.

That doesn't make me a yuppie, and I'd never want to live in Hyde Park. That's a really lame cop-out anyway to just call someone a yuppie and dismiss an opinion altogether on wanting choices. What's next? "This is 'Murrica, love it or leave it?"

I even agree with Anonymous that if a business fails, it's more often than not the owner's fault. This is where having choices becomes even more important.

There's an ugly attitude prevalent around some SH and TH folk that if you're not "old school" you're some yuppie trying to ruin their neighborhood, and it's downright unfair.

I will always prefer to choose neighborhood mom 'n' pops over chains. But there's a threshold for everything. They have to want to meet you in the middle, yanno?

I also like options. If it's Sunday morning and I have time - and know I'm getting horribly slow service - I don't mind waiting around. It's nice to have the option of the cup on the go when you're practically running late to work.

This whole tizzy people have worked themselves into this Starbucks deal is downright comic. You'd think they were trying to open up a nudie bar in Valrico or something ...

CSD said...

I am new here(SE), so perhaps I don't know exactly what some of the arguments are about, but I'll put my 2 cents in; Frida's-good food, good sangria, TERRIBLE service, unless you enjoy standing for 20+ minutes being ignored by the staff but stared at by diners. (I do know that one of those "odd looking waitresses" is Anjelica's daughter). I agree, it's no ones fault but the owners that they are closing, I wish luck to the new owners, who I hear are contemplating a Blues type club.
Starbucks-true, Tampa needs another Starbucks like it needs........ another used car lot.....so which is worse? True, it would be much better to have a local business open up a coffe shop there, or anything, but Starbucks ended up getting a bargain in an "up and coming" neighborhood handy to 275. I wish the "purists" out here would look back to what Seminole Heights was originally, a nice, middle class neighborhood with businesses peppered in, making it a convenient and secure place to live. It was never intended to be "crack row" or "used car heaven"......it seems to me that SE is starting to get closer to it's original roots, back from where it was for decades hosting prostituts, ugly lots and drug houses. This is evolution, not deconstruction! And yes, security and convenience comes with a price tag, so of course values are going up (I can attest to that after buying a house I looked at several years ago for 3Xs more than it was before, should've jumped then)But that's how neighborhoods work. Shooting down a Starbucks so some ugly old cars can stay will not stop the evolution. I say enjoy the fact you will be able to pull through and get a quick cup of java in the morning, save the Coffee Bean for a more leisurly weekend event. Don't forget, this is also bringing decent employment into our neighborhood. Someplace safe and fair to work at for perhaps our younger residents. It's not optimal, but it's not all bad!I think we should all focus on the more important things; crime, safety, influence as a neighborhood with the City, and enjoying our beautiful still authentic neighborhood.

Anonymous said...

STARBUCKS PAYS THE LEAST THE LAW ALLOWS THAT IS NOT GOOD EMPLOYMENT. TO DAVID STARBUCKS IE ANY FRANCHISE DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN BETTER SERVICE, IN ALL HONESTY IT MEANS 10 LAYERS OF ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A COMPLAINT.

CSD said...

Anonymous, you certainly don't have to yell. we are all entitled to voice our opinions. I doubt any of the small, locally owned establishments pay much more than Starbucks for coffee servers. They also participate in equal opportunity employment laws, anti harrassment laws, and fair labor laws, something many smaller employers can get around. Again, I'm not saying it's the best thing, but it certainly is not the worst thing that could happen. I would definitely rather see a locally owned business in there, but no one made that move, and Starbucks did, and it's an improvement over the car lot. That's all I'm saying.

Livework Studios LLC said...

Another vote here for Ybor Pizza and Subs. They are true craftsmen. I picked up a pizza for takeout recently and Scotty opened the box like it contained a diamond necklace, just to let me have a look at it before I left. He was so proud of his creation that I was almost afraid to eat it.
We have a semi-regular group of friends that meets at YPS on Friday nights for pizza and boisterous conversation. One evening around the holidays, after ten or twelve of us had spent a few hours eating everything in sight, we went up to pay and were informed that this one was on the house, a thank you for our years of loyal patronage. That's how you inspire customer loyalty and ensure your longevity in the community. Those guys could burn my pizza to a crisp now and I wouldn't have anything bad to say about them.
The Starbuck's issue has been beaten to death, but I have to ask if everyone has forgotten about the Indigo Coffee a few blocks away. Good coffee, lower prices, the coveted drive-through, and they are locally owned. I don't know what they pay their employees, but they are all so perky I wonder just what's in the coffee. They even have treats for your dog.

Anonymous said...

RE:Indigo Coffee
I was a devotee of Indigo when I first moved back to the area last summer; the one between Howard and Armenia as it is on my commute route. Unfortunately, after their recent price hike in the Fall I found them to be no cheaper than SBux. I do love their Cafe Indigo concoction, but the long wait to drive through is a convenience no more. SBux drive-through might suffer the same. I'd welcome an Indigo with a walk-in/sit and surf/converse area or at the least a walk-up window, but right now unless its off-peak hours I'll forgo the Indigo.

David Jenkins said...

Indigo is also closed on Sundays. :( Not helpful.

Anonymous said...

No Indigo for me, I boycott all known republican owned businesses. Boycott INDIGO!

Anonymous said...

If we listen to all you blog commentators, we'll be so buys boycotting businesses that there won't be a single one left in Seminole Heights.
Not to be a jerk about this, but if you don't want to eat or dirnk somewhere, don't.

Anonymous said...

I believe you're missing some context here. With the exception of the anonymous coward that posted at 2/21/2006 6:52, all the other comments that mention "boycott" are refering to a "personal boycott" and not something they are advocating others take on.

The personal boycott thing was first brought up in a post by Randy Baron and others, myself included, allude to that.

So we're already taking your kind advice.

David Jenkins said...

Yeah, I totally use the boycott term very loosely. I should in fact use it in quotes. Me saying I'm boycotting something means I just won't go there, even if it means going without that good or service as there's no alternative.

I don't have the time or interest to start a campaign against any local business. I also recognize my experience is my own, and not necessarily that of everyone else.

For instance, some commenters discussed the quaintness and laid-back atmosphere of certain establishments, but that doesn't mean that's what I'm looking for at all. Again, I prefer to support the local business, but if bad service/product/etc is a problem, I'll take my money elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

A ditto to Shawn's posting, and to add, I don't believe any of the posts other than the one previously mentioned advised anyone to boycott any business, rather they mentioned their various experiences along with some complaints, and many went so far to say try it for yourself and decide. For instance I tried Ybor Pizza and Subs last night after my interest was piqued from the commentary here, while I didn't find it quite as tasty as Stephanno's it is most certainly cheaper. Given that Stephannos is more convenient to me, unless it's a Sunday or Monday I will most likely choose Stephanno's, but on those nights where Stephanno's is closed I'd definitly visit Ybor P&S and when Cappy's open I'll try them too. I for one enjoyed the few times Ive been to the Front Porch and nearly every time I drive past the parking lot is quite full so they must be doing something right. It's like the old saying about opinions, we all have 'em. The only businesses I'd offer up advice to boycott would be the car lots, particularly now that the obscuration caused by their fences are not just an annoyance, but have resulted in a loss of life. BTW the fence and cars of Florida Auto Group at Knollwood creates quite an obstruction as well.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I appreciate having a business in the hood that supports equality for all, truthfulness and is not ashamed to oppose that sack of shit, illiterate liar posing as a puppet for his handlers in the white house but then again I am not one of his boosters like certain people on here are.

Anonymous said...

Finally tried the pizza at Ybor Pizza and Subs. It was great and I am glad to support a local mom and pop, although I am sure the bushies don't care for the place since their menu and place of business makes some not so flattering remarks about the current administration and I guess that is too political for some.

Anonymous said...

to hell with bushies. let them eat off the back of poor people like their president

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Anonymous said...

I waited patiently to be paid in full on a promissory note that one of the proprietors of Viva La Frida signed. One third is still outstanding on two paintings sold to a customer of Viva La Frida. The customer used her credit card. The proprietor wanted to borrow the amount for an eye operation, and I foolishly agreed, but not without a promissory note.

I'm wondering if Viva La Frida used artists in more ways than having them show their art to bring customers in...or was there an attempt to swindle the
artist(s) out of their creative juices monetarily. If other artists had trouble collecting from Viva La Frida, please post.