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Tuesday, November 21, 2006
Dis and Dat gets gutted
As I drove to work today, I could see that they are gutting the interior of the brick building next to the auto parts store at Nebraska and Ida. I wonder what they plan to do with it?
This concerns me! As I was going to work, I noticed it being gutted as well. I don't see a permit hanging anywhere. As fragile as the building is, I would hate to see them destroy it any more.
In addition, the workers didn't look like professional contractors. My biggest fear is that they convert the building into another church, etc. Who do you call to find out if this is legit and it is being done properly.
I remember how excited everyone got when the building next to Tampa Door was being renovated, then it was painted orange, plastic put over the windows and never opened.
Step: 1. Project/Permit Search 2. Project/Permit Info 3. Payment Info 4. Confirm 5. Receipt This screen displays a permit's details. Below, click the 'View' link(s) to expand an area; click the 'Hide' link(s) to colapse an area.
Project: 296593 Site Address: 4028 N NEBRASKA AVE PIN Number: A-01-29-18-4H3-000001-000040 Owner Name: LEWIS-CARTER, THERESA L Project Type: MISCELLANEOUS - RESIDENTIAL Project Status: PROJECT HAS ACTIVE PERMITS Project Description: COMPLAINT/INVESTIGATION Notice Of Commencement: NOT REQUIRED Comments:
Permit: 1 Permit Type: MISC Permit Status: ISSUED/PAID Permit Description: COMPLAINT...REMODEL(ALL TRADES)W/O PERMITS Inspector Area: C3 Applicant's Name: BUILDING BUREAU Applicant Type: OWNER Contractor Name: n/a Contractor Phone: n/a No fees on this permit. View Permit Detail
Are they doing just non structural work? I found this on the tampagov.net / construction services / permits website
You can do the following work without a permit :
Minor, non-structural repairs that does not include the cutting away of any wall, partition or any part thereof, with the approval of the building official or his designee
Repair faucets or valves, and unstop clogged drains and sewer lines
Install A/C units less than 3 tons not connected to duct work
Painting, cabinets, carpet, vinyl tile, and gutters, and certain types of fences (click here for fence information)
Removal of trees not on the protected list such as Male Mulberry, Australian Pine, Eucalyptus, Chinaberry, Cherry Laurel, Brazilian Pepper, Monkey Puzzle, and Silk Oak
Here's the complete permit issued today (if I'm reading it right).
City Of Tampa Growth Management & Development Services MISC Permit
Project/Permit #: 296593-1 Issue Date: 11/21/2006 Permit Status: ISSUED/PAID Situs Information Situs #: 62917 Address: 4028 N NEBRASKA AVE Legal: PALMARIA, E 78 FT OF W 128 FT OF LOT 4 BLOCK 1, Other: Map #: F12 Z File: Zoning: CG Dri: P Condition: 03 DETERIORATING Fld Zone: C Elevation: Aviation: P 188 Hist Bldg: 0 Hist Dist: Fire Lmt: I Setback: 60' FM BUFFALO C/L
Owner Information Owner: LEWIS-CARTER, THERESA L Address: 4028 N NEBRASKA AVE , TAMPA, FL 33603 Project Information Number: 296593 Type: R Bldgs: 0 S&E: N CRA: N Added: 11/21/2006 Description: COMPLAINT/INVESTIGATION Permit Information Applicant: BUILDING BUREAU (OWNER) Description: COMPLAINT...REMODEL(ALL TRADES)W/O PERMITS Contractor Information Qualifier: Cert #: Signer: DBA Name: Address: Phone:
ROUTE: BLDG Y ROUTE: ELEC N ROUTE: PLUM N ROUTE: MECH N ROUTE: S&E N ROUTE: SIGN N ROUTE: HIST PRES N ROUTE: OTHER N ROUTE: OTHER Desc NO ACTY: SPECIAL INSPECT N ACTY: COMPLAINT/INVEST Y ACTY: OTHER DESC Inspect Area: C3 CSE Fee: $0.00 Permit Calc: $0.00 COT Total Due: $0.00
The Undersigned hereby states that all facts provided by him in this application are true and correct, and that he has full authority from the owner, owner's agent, and/or contractor to apply for a permit, and permform the work described.
________________________________ _______________ Signature Date
I believe they may be doing more than the permit leads you to believe. If you see inside, they have gutted every single thing out of the inside. It appears on the permit that they did not pull electrical. I can't imagine them not updating electric while they have it totally bare.
I just don't want it to be a Church slash Funeral Home slash Pawn shop, etc.
They don't have a permit to do anything. The problem is that the City is using its antiquated permit software to show complaints and there are no categories for complaints details. The issued refers to the fact there is a complaint. The "project has active permits" refers to the complaint. This is unpermited activity they are doing.
Wow, it is one of the few truly beautiful historic building in SESH that coule be restored to a masterpiece. However, it appears the new owners, or current owners rehabbing are not doing correct work.
A neighbor stopped by and talked to the crew renovating the building. According to the workers, it is being rehabbed to house a new CHURCH. (like we need one more of those) She was told it will be a Catholic Church and the pastor and his wife would live in the building.
What is the deal with all these things here? Are they so lucrative they can afford to rent or buy when for-profit businesses can't? Also what are their parking requirements, the Iglesia de Dios on Florida always seems to spill out into surrounding businesses during services.
I am sure this will not be a Roman Catholic Church. They would have pulled permits and not have to advertise for laborers. There would have a been a sign out front stating that the Diocese of St. Petersburg is proud to announce . blah, blah, blah. It is too small for a Roman Catholic Church. It could be one of those breakaway churches.
There is something screwy going on.
Flyer Anon could assuage matters by telling us what he knows but he likes to plays these games of "I know what you don't."
This makes me suspicious. I they are up to something good wht not tell? Must be something problematic.
Please, Flyer Anon got his ass evicted and dosen't have a clue what they are planning to do. I did go up there today and they are doing very shoddy/questionable work. As delicate as the building is, I am afraid they will do more harm than good.
If we can get rid of the illegal scientologist, the illegal catholics don't stand a chance.
The better question would be why would you tell. After you got evicted, what do you care happens there? All I can say is no more shoddy businesses remodeled half assed. We need business that serve the needs for the immediate neighborhood and reflect the momentum of the n'hood. Look how crappy the Florida Arts school, Ybor Pizza, Dis and Dat, the pink Church at N.O. and Neb. look and are kept up. As long as they continue to maintain thier property in such a fashion, it will keep Nebraska down. I drive my daughter across town for Piano and dance classes instead of using the FAS right here in the n'hood. I can't understand why they don't take pride in their building. More importantly,if the outside looks this bad, imagine what the inside looks like.
And then again maybe it isnt up to code if the right permits haven't been pulled and the guy is using unlicensed contractors. As far as the parking is concerned, its my understanding that so many spaces have to be assigned for different businesses. Depending on what they open up, they should met this requirement. If they dont..its bye bye time. Just like the scientologists.
reference the church on North street that the residents had to deal with when the prior owner sold off all of the lots used for parking and then the cars overwhelmed the neighborhood.
Without a 50 yr lease for the use of the parts store lot or any other - any use of the building will not work as there is no legal parking - maybe 2 spots.
All one needs to do is inform code of the situation and get it corrected.
Give me businesses give me parking Give me aestetics Give me what I want or hell to pay
I won't get off my ass to see I won't get off my ass to welcome you I won't get off my ass to start a dialogue I won't get off my ass it's easier to bitch
I want Hyde park I want SoHo I want Davis Island I want Palma Ceia
But I want them in the 'hood it's cool and trendy So I say I'm in the 'hood I love diversity Served in shades of white Oh, I love diversity When you look like me When you think like me When you believe like me When you agree with me
This concerns me! As I was going to work, I noticed it being gutted as well. I don't see a permit hanging anywhere. As fragile as the building is, I would hate to see them destroy it any more.
ReplyDeleteIn addition, the workers didn't look like professional contractors. My biggest fear is that they convert the building into another church, etc. Who do you call to find out if this is legit and it is being done properly.
I remember how excited everyone got when the building next to Tampa Door was being renovated, then it was painted orange, plastic put over the windows and never opened.
Does anyone know the address? The City of Tampa permit database can be searched online?
ReplyDelete4028,4030, and 4034? Nebraska
ReplyDeleteI found this for 4028. https://www.tampagov.net/webapps/default.aspx?page_id=10
ReplyDeleteHere is some of the information
ReplyDeleteExpress Permits Service
Step: 1. Project/Permit Search 2. Project/Permit Info 3. Payment Info 4. Confirm 5. Receipt
This screen displays a permit's details. Below, click the 'View' link(s) to expand an area; click the 'Hide' link(s) to colapse an area.
Project: 296593 Site Address: 4028 N NEBRASKA AVE
PIN Number: A-01-29-18-4H3-000001-000040
Owner Name: LEWIS-CARTER, THERESA L
Project Type: MISCELLANEOUS - RESIDENTIAL Project Status: PROJECT HAS ACTIVE PERMITS
Project Description: COMPLAINT/INVESTIGATION
Notice Of Commencement: NOT REQUIRED Comments:
Permit: 1 Permit Type: MISC Permit Status: ISSUED/PAID
Permit Description: COMPLAINT...REMODEL(ALL TRADES)W/O PERMITS Inspector Area: C3
Applicant's Name: BUILDING BUREAU Applicant Type: OWNER
Contractor Name: n/a Contractor Phone: n/a
No fees on this permit.
View Permit Detail
View Inspection Info
I called. They recieved a complaint and have not investigated it. Some of the info in the fields is misleading.
ReplyDeleteAre they doing just non structural work? I found this on the tampagov.net / construction services / permits website
ReplyDeleteYou can do the following work without a permit :
Minor, non-structural repairs that does not include the cutting away of any wall, partition or any part thereof, with the approval of the building official or his designee
Repair faucets or valves, and unstop clogged drains and sewer lines
Install A/C units less than 3 tons not connected to duct work
Painting, cabinets, carpet, vinyl tile, and gutters, and certain types of fences (click here for fence information)
Removal of trees not on the protected list such as Male Mulberry, Australian Pine, Eucalyptus, Chinaberry, Cherry Laurel, Brazilian Pepper, Monkey Puzzle, and Silk Oak
I have a question......how do you know the dates of any of the entries on the permit site?
ReplyDeleteHere's the complete permit issued today (if I'm reading it right).
ReplyDeleteCity Of Tampa
Growth Management & Development Services
MISC Permit
Project/Permit #: 296593-1 Issue Date: 11/21/2006 Permit Status: ISSUED/PAID
Situs Information
Situs #: 62917
Address: 4028 N NEBRASKA AVE
Legal: PALMARIA, E 78 FT OF W 128 FT OF LOT 4 BLOCK 1,
Other: Map #: F12 Z File: Zoning: CG Dri: P
Condition: 03 DETERIORATING Fld Zone: C Elevation: Aviation: P 188
Hist Bldg: 0 Hist Dist: Fire Lmt: I Setback: 60' FM BUFFALO C/L
Owner Information
Owner: LEWIS-CARTER, THERESA L
Address: 4028 N NEBRASKA AVE , TAMPA, FL 33603
Project Information
Number: 296593 Type: R Bldgs: 0 S&E: N CRA: N Added: 11/21/2006
Description: COMPLAINT/INVESTIGATION
Permit Information
Applicant: BUILDING BUREAU (OWNER)
Description: COMPLAINT...REMODEL(ALL TRADES)W/O PERMITS
Contractor Information
Qualifier: Cert #: Signer:
DBA Name: Address: Phone:
ROUTE: BLDG Y ROUTE: ELEC N ROUTE: PLUM N ROUTE: MECH N
ROUTE: S&E N ROUTE: SIGN N ROUTE: HIST PRES N ROUTE: OTHER N
ROUTE: OTHER Desc NO ACTY: SPECIAL INSPECT N ACTY: COMPLAINT/INVEST Y ACTY: OTHER DESC
Inspect Area: C3 CSE Fee: $0.00 Permit Calc: $0.00 COT Total Due: $0.00
The Undersigned hereby states that all facts provided by him in this application are true and correct, and that he has full authority from the owner, owner's agent, and/or contractor to apply for a permit, and permform the work described.
________________________________ _______________
Signature Date
You have to select which permit number you want to look at and then click view project summary....
ReplyDeleteI believe they may be doing more than the permit leads you to believe. If you see inside, they have gutted every single thing out of the inside. It appears on the permit that they did not pull electrical. I can't imagine them not updating electric while they have it totally bare.
ReplyDeleteI just don't want it to be a Church slash Funeral Home slash Pawn shop, etc.
They don't have a permit to do anything. The problem is that the City is using its antiquated permit software to show complaints and there are no categories for complaints details. The issued refers to the fact there is a complaint. The "project has active permits" refers to the complaint. This is unpermited activity they are doing.
ReplyDeleteWow, it is one of the few truly beautiful historic building in SESH that coule be restored to a masterpiece. However, it appears the new owners, or current owners rehabbing are not doing correct work.
ReplyDeleteCome on guys, cappy's can do it without permits why should this guy have to follow the rules?
ReplyDeleteYeah I agree: Back off a little people. When did you become the gestapo?
ReplyDeleteA neighbor stopped by and talked to the crew renovating the building. According to the workers, it is being rehabbed to house a new CHURCH. (like we need one more of those) She was told it will be a Catholic Church and the pastor and his wife would live in the building.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the deal with all these things here? Are they so lucrative they can afford to rent or buy when for-profit businesses can't? Also what are their parking requirements, the Iglesia de Dios on Florida always seems to spill out into surrounding businesses during services.
ReplyDeletellllllllllllmaoooooooooooo this is the funniest yet
ReplyDeleteGawd ......some people are so funny with ideas.thanks ;-)
I am sure this will not be a Roman Catholic Church. They would have pulled permits and not have to advertise for laborers. There would have a been a sign out front stating that the Diocese of St. Petersburg is proud to announce . blah, blah, blah. It is too small for a Roman Catholic Church. It could be one of those breakaway churches.
ReplyDeleteThere is something screwy going on.
Flyer Anon could assuage matters by telling us what he knows but he likes to plays these games of "I know what you don't."
This makes me suspicious. I they are up to something good wht not tell? Must be something problematic.
Please, Flyer Anon got his ass evicted and dosen't have a clue what they are planning to do. I did go up there today and they are doing very shoddy/questionable work. As delicate as the building is, I am afraid they will do more harm than good.
ReplyDeleteIf we can get rid of the illegal scientologist, the illegal catholics don't stand a chance.
The better question would be why would you tell. After you got evicted, what do you care happens there? All I can say is no more shoddy businesses remodeled half assed. We need business that serve the needs for the immediate neighborhood and reflect the momentum of the n'hood. Look how crappy the Florida Arts school, Ybor Pizza, Dis and Dat, the pink Church at N.O. and Neb. look and are kept up. As long as they continue to maintain thier property in such a fashion, it will keep Nebraska down. I drive my daughter across town for Piano and dance classes instead of using the FAS right here in the n'hood. I can't understand why they don't take pride in their building. More importantly,if the outside looks this bad, imagine what the inside looks like.
ReplyDeleteAnd then again maybe it isnt up to code if the right permits haven't been pulled and the guy is using unlicensed contractors.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the parking is concerned, its my understanding that so many spaces have to be assigned for different businesses.
Depending on what they open up, they should met this requirement.
If they dont..its bye bye time.
Just like the scientologists.
reference the church on North street that the residents had to deal with when the prior owner sold off all of the lots used for parking and then the cars overwhelmed the neighborhood.
ReplyDeleteWithout a 50 yr lease for the use of the parts store lot or any other - any use of the building will not work as there is no legal parking - maybe 2 spots.
All one needs to do is inform code of the situation and get it corrected.
"I drive my daughter across town for Piano and dance classes instead of using the FAS right here in the n'hood. "
ReplyDeleteWhy not just live there too? You'd save on gass and not have to live in a "hood".
Give me businesses
ReplyDeletegive me parking
Give me aestetics
Give me what I want or hell to pay
I won't get off my ass to see
I won't get off my ass to welcome you
I won't get off my ass to start a dialogue
I won't get off my ass it's easier to bitch
I want Hyde park
I want SoHo
I want Davis Island
I want Palma Ceia
But I want them in the 'hood
it's cool and trendy
So I say I'm in the 'hood
I love diversity
Served in shades of white
Oh, I love diversity
When you look like me
When you think like me
When you believe like me
When you agree with me
Arent you the sexist one yourself Mr. Flyer..
ReplyDeleteWho said it was a she?
You assumed that